I have a question about placed and found numbers. How do all of you
count (or not count) the following?
If you make & send a Postal LB - does it count as a placed?
If you find receive a postal LB, does it count as a find?
How do you count found hitchhikers? Are they an addition to the placed
box find?
Thank you!
Debbi
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? Re: P & F numbers
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Started on 2004-02-23
? Re: P & F numbers
From: Debbi Scott (dscott5377@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2004-02-23 12:32:08 UTC-07:00
Re: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
From: Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-02-23 11:58:22 UTC-08:00
Personally, I do it this way:
PLB is not a find or a placed as neither took place. I did not place it for
someone to search for, nor did I unravel the clues and find it, rather it
found me. I don't have a PLB number, but there's no reason you couldn't
include one in your sig or tracking numbers if you wanted, there's no rule
against it.
I have a HH number in my sig/tracking numbers labeled HH for hitchhikers. I
use that number for the Hitchhikers that I find and for the ones that I've
created and placed in the wild, I put them in my P or Placed number.
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PLB is not a find or a placed as neither took place. I did not place it for
someone to search for, nor did I unravel the clues and find it, rather it
found me. I don't have a PLB number, but there's no reason you couldn't
include one in your sig or tracking numbers if you wanted, there's no rule
against it.
I have a HH number in my sig/tracking numbers labeled HH for hitchhikers. I
use that number for the Hitchhikers that I find and for the ones that I've
created and placed in the wild, I put them in my P or Placed number.
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Re: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
From: (kotlarek@wi.rr.com) |
Date: 2004-02-23 14:40:04 UTC-06:00
I'm curious as to why it seems hitchhikers planted are included in a "P" count by most people, but the hitchhikers they find are often counted separately as an HH number.
I've read that Letterboxing is a "no rules" activity so I realize it varies by person. The LBNA site says:
Hitchhikers count when initially planted by there (sic) creator, and count as found when anyone else finds them.
The letterboxing.info site says:
Hitchhikers you pick up in letterboxes can also be recorded as finds.
I personally think of a letterbox as something that includes clues, so would not count postal letterboxes or hitchhikers as part of my own PFX count. I maintain a separate count for hitchhikers and enjoy looking at the website that shows their travels. I consider them a "bonus" but not something I created or solved clues for.
Wisconsin Hiker
----- Original Message -----
From: Rayvenhaus
Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
> Personally, I do it this way:
>
> PLB is not a find or a placed as neither took place. I did not
> place it for
> someone to search for, nor did I unravel the clues and find it,
> rather it
> found me. I don't have a PLB number, but there's no reason you
> couldn'tinclude one in your sig or tracking numbers if you wanted,
> there's no rule
> against it.
>
> I have a HH number in my sig/tracking numbers labeled HH for
> hitchhikers. I
> use that number for the Hitchhikers that I find and for the ones
> that I've
> created and placed in the wild, I put them in my P or Placed number.
>
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> "We leave nothing but an image to mark our passage......"
> A Letterboxing Upcoming Events Calendar is available at
> http://www.myndworx.com/modules.php?name=Kalender
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> A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I've read that Letterboxing is a "no rules" activity so I realize it varies by person. The LBNA site says:
Hitchhikers count when initially planted by there (sic) creator, and count as found when anyone else finds them.
The letterboxing.info site says:
Hitchhikers you pick up in letterboxes can also be recorded as finds.
I personally think of a letterbox as something that includes clues, so would not count postal letterboxes or hitchhikers as part of my own PFX count. I maintain a separate count for hitchhikers and enjoy looking at the website that shows their travels. I consider them a "bonus" but not something I created or solved clues for.
Wisconsin Hiker
----- Original Message -----
From: Rayvenhaus
Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
> Personally, I do it this way:
>
> PLB is not a find or a placed as neither took place. I did not
> place it for
> someone to search for, nor did I unravel the clues and find it,
> rather it
> found me. I don't have a PLB number, but there's no reason you
> couldn'tinclude one in your sig or tracking numbers if you wanted,
> there's no rule
> against it.
>
> I have a HH number in my sig/tracking numbers labeled HH for
> hitchhikers. I
> use that number for the Hitchhikers that I find and for the ones
> that I've
> created and placed in the wild, I put them in my P or Placed number.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> -+> Steve of Team Rayvenhaus <+-
> "We leave nothing but an image to mark our passage......"
> A Letterboxing Upcoming Events Calendar is available at
> http://www.myndworx.com/modules.php?name=Kalender
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> (This is a randomly selected tagline, your mileage may vary.)
> A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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? Re: P & F numbers
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-02-23 21:03:11 UTC
> I have a question about placed and found numbers. How do all of you
> count (or not count) the following?
>
> If you make & send a Postal LB - does it count as a placed?
> If you find receive a postal LB, does it count as a find?
According to Article 3.32.5, in section C of the Letterboxing Rules
of Counting Boxes, Postal Letterboxes do not count as either a find
nor placed for anyone. It clearly states, "Any box that comes to
you, clearly, is not 'found' and should not be counted as such."
Placed boxes, defined in sub-section B.2, are boxes that 'are created
and hidden in such a way that anybody that wants to get can get it'.
Since postal boxes are, by design, intended only for certain people
on 'mailing lists', they cannot be counted as placed.
However, the little-known sub-section of S.h.1.T, does state that for
any box that does not qualify as a find or placed, a seperate count
may be used to track such boxes, although there are--as of yet--no
official rules for how those boxes should be counted, except to say
they should be counted separately.
> How do you count found hitchhikers?
Using the definition for 'found' boxes as stated in Article 3.32.5,
section C (i.e. "Any box that comes to you is not 'found'),
hitchhikers, would, in fact, be counted as finds. The box was not
hidden with the intention of going to a specific boxer, and even if
that was the *intention*, it clearly cannot be guaranteed unless the
person who is doing the 'finding' is with the person doing
the 'hiding'. If such an event were to happen, the box could not be
counted as a placed or find by either party, since it was 'designed'
for only a certain person to get with without the possibility of
anyone else getting a crack at the box.
However, because of Article 5.23, Section E (that states no box may
be counted more than once under any circumstances), a person who
finds a hitchhiker then releases it again may not count the box as a
placed box--since it's already being counted as a find. However, the
person that originally created the hitchhiker, since they cannot
claim the box as a find, may claim it as a placed box.
I hope this clears up any confusion! =)
-- Ryan
> count (or not count) the following?
>
> If you make & send a Postal LB - does it count as a placed?
> If you find receive a postal LB, does it count as a find?
According to Article 3.32.5, in section C of the Letterboxing Rules
of Counting Boxes, Postal Letterboxes do not count as either a find
nor placed for anyone. It clearly states, "Any box that comes to
you, clearly, is not 'found' and should not be counted as such."
Placed boxes, defined in sub-section B.2, are boxes that 'are created
and hidden in such a way that anybody that wants to get can get it'.
Since postal boxes are, by design, intended only for certain people
on 'mailing lists', they cannot be counted as placed.
However, the little-known sub-section of S.h.1.T, does state that for
any box that does not qualify as a find or placed, a seperate count
may be used to track such boxes, although there are--as of yet--no
official rules for how those boxes should be counted, except to say
they should be counted separately.
> How do you count found hitchhikers?
Using the definition for 'found' boxes as stated in Article 3.32.5,
section C (i.e. "Any box that comes to you is not 'found'),
hitchhikers, would, in fact, be counted as finds. The box was not
hidden with the intention of going to a specific boxer, and even if
that was the *intention*, it clearly cannot be guaranteed unless the
person who is doing the 'finding' is with the person doing
the 'hiding'. If such an event were to happen, the box could not be
counted as a placed or find by either party, since it was 'designed'
for only a certain person to get with without the possibility of
anyone else getting a crack at the box.
However, because of Article 5.23, Section E (that states no box may
be counted more than once under any circumstances), a person who
finds a hitchhiker then releases it again may not count the box as a
placed box--since it's already being counted as a find. However, the
person that originally created the hitchhiker, since they cannot
claim the box as a find, may claim it as a placed box.
I hope this clears up any confusion! =)
-- Ryan
? Re: P & F numbers
From: Gwen and Don Jackson (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2004-02-23 14:42:42 UTC-08:00
Ryan,
I thought Article 5.23, section E dealt with the determination of penalties for stating improper P, F, X, and HH counts. Lethal injections or Firing squad ?
Don
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I thought Article 5.23, section E dealt with the determination of penalties for stating improper P, F, X, and HH counts. Lethal injections or Firing squad ?
Don
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RE: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
From: Debbi Scott (dscott5377@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2004-02-23 15:49:41 UTC-07:00
Thank you all for your input =]
For a "sport" with no rules - there sure are a lot of Articles! =]
Debbi
-----Original Message-----
From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@pocketmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:03 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
> I have a question about placed and found numbers. How do all of you
> count (or not count) the following?
>
> If you make & send a Postal LB - does it count as a placed?
> If you find receive a postal LB, does it count as a find?
According to Article 3.32.5, in section C of the Letterboxing Rules
of Counting Boxes, Postal Letterboxes do not count as either a find
nor placed for anyone. It clearly states, "Any box that comes to
you, clearly, is not 'found' and should not be counted as such."
Placed boxes, defined in sub-section B.2, are boxes that 'are created
and hidden in such a way that anybody that wants to get can get it'.
Since postal boxes are, by design, intended only for certain people
on 'mailing lists', they cannot be counted as placed.
However, the little-known sub-section of S.h.1.T, does state that for
any box that does not qualify as a find or placed, a seperate count
may be used to track such boxes, although there are--as of yet--no
official rules for how those boxes should be counted, except to say
they should be counted separately.
> How do you count found hitchhikers?
Using the definition for 'found' boxes as stated in Article 3.32.5,
section C (i.e. "Any box that comes to you is not 'found'),
hitchhikers, would, in fact, be counted as finds. The box was not
hidden with the intention of going to a specific boxer, and even if
that was the *intention*, it clearly cannot be guaranteed unless the
person who is doing the 'finding' is with the person doing
the 'hiding'. If such an event were to happen, the box could not be
counted as a placed or find by either party, since it was 'designed'
for only a certain person to get with without the possibility of
anyone else getting a crack at the box.
However, because of Article 5.23, Section E (that states no box may
be counted more than once under any circumstances), a person who
finds a hitchhiker then releases it again may not count the box as a
placed box--since it's already being counted as a find. However, the
person that originally created the hitchhiker, since they cannot
claim the box as a find, may claim it as a placed box.
I hope this clears up any confusion! =)
-- Ryan
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For a "sport" with no rules - there sure are a lot of Articles! =]
Debbi
-----Original Message-----
From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@pocketmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:03 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
> I have a question about placed and found numbers. How do all of you
> count (or not count) the following?
>
> If you make & send a Postal LB - does it count as a placed?
> If you find receive a postal LB, does it count as a find?
According to Article 3.32.5, in section C of the Letterboxing Rules
of Counting Boxes, Postal Letterboxes do not count as either a find
nor placed for anyone. It clearly states, "Any box that comes to
you, clearly, is not 'found' and should not be counted as such."
Placed boxes, defined in sub-section B.2, are boxes that 'are created
and hidden in such a way that anybody that wants to get can get it'.
Since postal boxes are, by design, intended only for certain people
on 'mailing lists', they cannot be counted as placed.
However, the little-known sub-section of S.h.1.T, does state that for
any box that does not qualify as a find or placed, a seperate count
may be used to track such boxes, although there are--as of yet--no
official rules for how those boxes should be counted, except to say
they should be counted separately.
> How do you count found hitchhikers?
Using the definition for 'found' boxes as stated in Article 3.32.5,
section C (i.e. "Any box that comes to you is not 'found'),
hitchhikers, would, in fact, be counted as finds. The box was not
hidden with the intention of going to a specific boxer, and even if
that was the *intention*, it clearly cannot be guaranteed unless the
person who is doing the 'finding' is with the person doing
the 'hiding'. If such an event were to happen, the box could not be
counted as a placed or find by either party, since it was 'designed'
for only a certain person to get with without the possibility of
anyone else getting a crack at the box.
However, because of Article 5.23, Section E (that states no box may
be counted more than once under any circumstances), a person who
finds a hitchhiker then releases it again may not count the box as a
placed box--since it's already being counted as a find. However, the
person that originally created the hitchhiker, since they cannot
claim the box as a find, may claim it as a placed box.
I hope this clears up any confusion! =)
-- Ryan
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Re: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-02-23 19:54:06 UTC-05:00
No, the area found counts as a Reverso-plane and everyone must type backwards while doing the Merry Jig of Dartmoor. The Calvinball is replaced with a ferret and the game continues.
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gwen and Don Jackson
To: letterbox chat list
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
Ryan,
I thought Article 5.23, section E dealt with the determination of penalties for stating improper P, F, X, and HH counts. Lethal injections or Firing squad ?
Don
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gwen and Don Jackson
To: letterbox chat list
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: [LbNA] ? Re: P & F numbers
Ryan,
I thought Article 5.23, section E dealt with the determination of penalties for stating improper P, F, X, and HH counts. Lethal injections or Firing squad ?
Don
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? Re: P & F numbers
From: cadenza74 (cadenza74@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2004-02-24 05:05:53 UTC
personally, I haven't had a problem with counting my postal box
as a plant. I put a lot of time and effort into it-just as much, if not
more than I do my other boxes. I don't plan on doing many, so I
don't feel it will interrupt anything. I'm not even sure I will do
another one.
I've been more cautious regarding counting PLB's as finds. I did
count the first one or two that I found, but they have become so
much more common than I expected and I never felt entirely
comfortable with it in the first place. One or two was one thing,
but a whole slew of them somehow feels a bit like cheating. It
was really tempting at first since I have found pretty much every
letterbox within several hours of driving b/c of the sparseness of
other boxers, but I'm moving back to not counting them anymore.
I do, however, just count my HH's. I am not enough into the
whole PFX count thing to really go beyond PFX and E (although I
really like Psychomommy's lizard count).
till later,
Cadenza
as a plant. I put a lot of time and effort into it-just as much, if not
more than I do my other boxes. I don't plan on doing many, so I
don't feel it will interrupt anything. I'm not even sure I will do
another one.
I've been more cautious regarding counting PLB's as finds. I did
count the first one or two that I found, but they have become so
much more common than I expected and I never felt entirely
comfortable with it in the first place. One or two was one thing,
but a whole slew of them somehow feels a bit like cheating. It
was really tempting at first since I have found pretty much every
letterbox within several hours of driving b/c of the sparseness of
other boxers, but I'm moving back to not counting them anymore.
I do, however, just count my HH's. I am not enough into the
whole PFX count thing to really go beyond PFX and E (although I
really like Psychomommy's lizard count).
till later,
Cadenza